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(1-9-06)Eye-witnesses are starting to come forward, some only a block away from the 17th St Canal levee break, saying they heard a loud, powerful explosion right before water starting gushing in, as they ended up in a matter of minutes floating downstream on their rooftops.

Terry Adams, who lives one block away from the 17th St. break, remembers hearing what sounded "like a bomb going off" from where the levee gave-way before rushing water forced him to his rooftop.
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"Then I heard what sounded like a bomb go off from the direction of where the levee gave way and within a matter of minutes I was forced up on my roof where I floated for about a mile into town before somehow getting to safety.

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Asked if he was sure he heard an explosion, he added: "Water breaking a levee isn't going to make the noise I heard and besides, the levee should have broke before or during the storm, not afterward.

"I heard an explosion and so did a lot of other people. It came right from where the levee broke. What else could it have been but somebody blowing up the levee?"
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For example, whenever the subject of the levees being intentionally detonated comes up, most mainstream commentators like ABC's Michel Martin, dismiss even the slightest possibility of foul play, appeasing Black listeners with comments such as this:

"Anybody with any knowledge of history can understand why a lot of people can feel this way, but any real possibility that the levies were intentionally exploded must be dismissed."

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However, according to Ryan Washington, a long time New Orleans bus driver and former resident of the lower 9th Ward who grew up playing football on top the levee, said the possibility of government dirty work and foul play isn't so far fetched.

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Washington also said the media should not concentrate on testimony from experts, news commentators and government officials, who have biased opinions, but emphasis should be placed on interviewing the hundreds if not thousands of people who heard or saw something the night the levees blew.

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ORIGINAL: StephK
The levees failed due to an engineering failure to factor in the peat soils. Because the soils weren't accurately assessed the sheet pylons were not deep enough. The levees were built to the ACOE specs. It's just that the specs were wrong. The levees were in the process of failing prior to Katrina based on reports of sand boils.

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ORIGINAL: cow451

It's quite clear to me that the 9/11 demolition team went in, under cover of a Level 5 hurricane (that was caused by giant fans brought up from Boliva by the CIA) set charges rigged to blow up the levees, causing New Orleans to be flooded. There were several reasons for this devious plot:

1) George Bush received a vision (actually a DVD) showing the rampant debauchery in NO;
2) The President had seen a Veggie Tales episode on the Great Flood;
3) The President met secretly with Dr. James Dobson who warned him of the nation's similarity to Soddom and Gemorrah;
4) The President saw the inability of the Saints to win games, resulting in gambling losses for the Illuminati;
5) The President saw how blowing up the Twin Towers had boosted his approval ratings and allowed the neoconservatives to carry out their plans to invade Exxon, er, Iraq.

The Illuminati gave the go-ahead for Operation Pillar of Fire. Unfortunately several things happened. The explosives (pillars of fire) failed to create the visual effect worthy of major media coverage. Also, a political hack was in charge of FEMA and the response caused major PR problems. Finally, the Saints drafted reggie Bush (no relation) and traded for quarterback Drew Brees.

The Illuminati soured on Bush and subsequently arranged for Barack Obama to become president. The Illuminati are indeed a fickle bunch.

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ORIGINAL: Bettawrekonize

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ORIGINAL: StephK
The levees failed due to an engineering failure to factor in the peat soils. Because the soils weren't accurately assessed the sheet pylons were not deep enough. The levees were built to the ACOE specs. It's just that the specs were wrong. The levees were in the process of failing prior to Katrina based on reports of sand boils.

I know, and (if memory serves me correctly) the government was aware of this beforehand and they were warned that the levies needed to be improved/fixed but they didn't want to spend the money so they did practically nothing. Even after Katrina, the govt was slow to do anything. But when 9/11 happened, the govt was quick to act.

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ORIGINAL: StephK
The government wasn't slow to act after Katrina.

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The problem of the sheet pylons would not have been dealt with because it wasn't a known factor until after the flood walls failed.

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There is no getting around from that and to be honest Katrina actually saved thousands of lives because 80% of the people did evacuate.

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Dr. Ivor Van Heerden, director of the Center for Study of Public Health Impacts of Hurricanes and the deputy director of the LSU Hurricane Center at Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge, an< other Louisiana scientists have been warning everyone for 10 yean that the levees were unstable.

"Southeast Louisiana, and especially New Orleans, is super susceptible. So New Orleans was and still is extremely vulnerable to flooding from major hurricanes," said Van Heerden.

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ORIGINAL: Bettawrekonize


I forgot what university was doing the studies, but if memory serves me correctly, a nearby university, after doing studies, warned the government that if nothing was done that there was a high probability that those levies will be compromised within a few years. The government failed to act. They knew about this potential problem ahead of time.

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Katrina did not save any lives, it killed many people.

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ORIGINAL: Bettawrekonize

Here you go

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Dr. Ivor Van Heerden, director of the Center for Study of Public Health Impacts of Hurricanes and the deputy director of the LSU Hurricane Center at Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge, an< other Louisiana scientists have been warning everyone for 10 yean that the levees were unstable.

"Southeast Louisiana, and especially New Orleans, is super susceptible. So New Orleans was and still is extremely vulnerable to flooding from major hurricanes," said Van Heerden.

http://www.cwsworkshop.org/katrinareader/node/95

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ORIGINAL: StephK

I don't think you understand the logistics of things. New Orleans is basically an island. Three of the ways in and out were severely damaged. When it flooded the resources needed weren't in the vacinity. It takes TIME to move those kinds of resources from point A to point B especially when the roads leading there have to also be cleared of debris for at least 80 miles north.

There were coast guard, national guard and a private EMT service doing helicopter rescues as soon as the winds died down. Wildlife and fisheries also had their flotilla rescuing people as soon as they could. I don't know where you are from but I have lived in New Orleans and it's a very spread out city. It takes TIME to cover all of the ground especially when flooded after a hurricane.

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President George W. Bush was nearing the end of a month-long vacation at his Crawford, Texas, ranch on August 29, 2005, when Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast of the United States.

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Early Tuesday morning, August 30, a day after the hurricane struck, President Bush attended a V-J Day commemoration ceremony at Coronado, California while monitoring the situation with his aides and cabinet officials.[16]

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ORIGINAL: StephK
Had the levees failed without a mandatory evacuation in place then tens of thousands could have died. That was my point. It could have been much worse. There is a reason why the city keeps 10,000 body bags on hand at times.

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ORIGINAL: StephK
...The erosion of the wetlands is a big factor. IOW the gulf is much closer than it used to be.

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They did not know about the design flaw. The design was the problem. They did not know about the peat soils and no amount of improvements above ground would have fixed the real problem that caused the failure.

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ORIGINAL: StephK
The governor was the problem with the delay. She didn't sign the paperwork authorizing the federal response. I LIVE in this stupid state. I know exactly where the problem was and it was Kathleen Blank0 .

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ORIGINAL: Bettawrekonize

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ORIGINAL: StephK
Had the levees failed without a mandatory evacuation in place then tens of thousands could have died. That was my point. It could have been much worse. There is a reason why the city keeps 10,000 body bags on hand at times.

Had a meteor struck earth during Katrina, it could have been much worse. Just because it could have been much worse does not mean Katrina saved lives and it does not mean the government responded appropriately.

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ORIGINAL: Bettawrekonize

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ORIGINAL: StephK
The governor was the problem with the delay. She didn't sign the paperwork authorizing the federal response. I LIVE in this stupid state. I know exactly where the problem was and it was Kathleen Blank0 .

The governor is a member of the government (at least in that state). More proof that the government was slow to act (thanks for supporting my original contention).

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ORIGINAL: StephK
The levees were in the process of failing before the storm hit. The sand boils were noticed just a few days/weeks prior to Katrina. Had they failed with 100% of the population still in the city the death toll would have been much greater. Again, I lived there and understood that living below the water line of the river meant that there was a risk of levee failure. If the levees failed I would have been a goner.

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ORIGINAL: StephK
Put the blame where it belongs, on the governor and in a way the citizens who kept voting in the corrupt incompetent crooks.

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People get the government they deserve.