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Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 12:25:41 AM
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levimichal
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You are in your mid-twenties you love the Lord. You love worship. You don't read the bible that much maybe once a week. The sermons are always a little bland to you. You love watching Sex and the City and sighed when Carrie met Mr. Big. You love romance movies and shows like Friends and can't wait to see that movie Twilight. You can't wait to get married. You are part of five different singles groups in three different churches. Yet you date anyone who is cute and shows even the slightest bit of interest in you.
Is there a problem?
I am going to give others a chance to reply then I am going to introduce a new scenario. I want a bible verse that applies to each advice. So crack open the word. To each person who not only has application based on bible principles I will call them out on it. Let the games begin.
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 8:02:25 AM
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ORIGINAL: levimichal
To each person who not only has application based on bible principles I will call them out on it. Let the games begin.
I have no idea what this means? Are you not going to read anything that doesn't give you a scripture reference? Read for yourself, there are a million places to start and it's not hard to find (I guess I'm just in a mood this morning). Or are you just playing a game? I don't get it.
Before that part, I was just going to reply that what you're describing is very normal. If honest, I think every married, slightly older woman, would confess they've been in about the same place (or at lest many to most). I think most would also agree it's largely a waste of time and energy. That time is better spent focused on other things - relationship with God, career, skill-building, friends, even self. And it's a dangerous place to be in. If you fall into a wedding-obsession it can make a person very unattractive to the opposite sex or can make you very susceptible to very bad decisions.
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 9:33:39 AM
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I have no idea what this means? I suspect that it was a typo and should have said something like this 'To each person who has not used application based on bible principles I will call them out on it. Let the games begin.'
I can't help but think that the first person who should be 'called out' is the woman in the scenario you've set ~ who claims to love the Lord but doesn't bother getting down to reading her Bible more than once a week. Perhaps if she read it a little more, the sermons might be a little less bland (or she might feel encoraged to change churches) and she'd perhaps be more discerning in the men she dates.
Not everything requires scripture. Some things are just basic common sense.
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 10:38:12 AM
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csl7037
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Read for yourself, there are a million places to start and it's not hard to find (I guess I'm just in a mood this morning). Or are you just playing a game? I don't get it.
Well, I guess I was in the same mood last night when I posted just about the exact same thing you did but deleted my post because I thought I just didn't get it. But, I guess I'm still in a mood this morning because I still feel the same way.
The way I read it, she wants us to do all her digging and studying for her. I have a novel idea. How about the OP "cracking open the Word" and finding the answers for herself? I guess it was her tone that I found offensive...please don't threaten to "call people out" when they don't do your bidding in the way you want. Not a good way to win friends and influence people...know what I mean?
Homie don't play that!! 
Edited for misspiling.
Well, that or just specifying what kind of responses you want to a thread struck me as irritating. But, of course, we could both be misunderstanding or just plain cranky today. I'd be willing to admit that (I've been fighting with my printer all morning).
It could be an interesting discussion, though.
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To me it sounds like if the OP disagrees with what we are saying/posting that we will get "called out" which in my mind means attacked. Kinda judgmental to be conserning themselves with some one else's life. When they Should be conserned with their own.
I guess I am in a "mood" this morning also.   
I've enjoyed other posts by the OP, though, so I'm curious what she was really getting at. I'll try not to be cranky anymore.
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 11:13:57 AM
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I love a challenge! <rolls up sleeves>
Here' my challenge to you, Levimichal - will you listen to advice based on God's Word? It's lovingly meant but strongly worded. It's the kind of thing I'd want someone to say to me in these circumstances.
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You don't read the bible that much maybe once a week. The sermons are always a little bland to you. You love watching Sex and the City and sighed when Carrie met Mr. Big. You love romance movies and shows like Friends and can't wait to see that movie Twilight.
Here's an exercise: Add up the hours each week spent on secular, sensual, godless entertainment and compare it with time spent in God's Word. Abide means to dwell in or live in constantly.
John 8:31
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
John 15:7
If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
1 John 2:14
...because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one.
We can't get past the command to be constantly in God's Word. Rom. 12:2 tells us to be conformed by the renewing of our minds and to not be conformed to the world. Our minds are renewed by the Holy Spirit working on the material from God's Word already in our brain. So we have to put it there, not fill our brains with sensual thinking.
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You can't wait to get married.
This is normal; few people are called to be eunuchs (Matt. 19:4,5,11,12) but the general population is to leave parents and cleave to a mate.
Now here's the problem: marriage readiness. A person wanting to get married (at least in some people's thinking) need to be able to show they are godly (trained in godliness and living according to God's Word in dealing with sin, loving God and the brethren, and in general living in a way that doesn't contradict God's Word. 2 Tim. 3:16; 1 John 1: 8,9; 1 Pet. 1:22; Titus 2:1-10; 1 John 4:20), mature, prepared in marriage skills and experienced in loving God's people. Let me put down 2 Tim. 3:16 as it tells us how God's Word shapes our lives:
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
If you aren't getting into your Bible much, you're not getting trained by it much.
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You are part of five different singles groups in three different churches. Yet you date anyone who is cute and shows even the slightest bit of interest in you.
1 Sam. 16:7
“Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”
If a man doesn't have a heart for God, then he is not a good choice for a husband, for how can he be one who loves his wife like Christ loves the Church? That self-sacrificial love comes from God, not the flesh.
You can figure the converse for a woman. And notice that God kind of chastised Samuel for basing his assessment of a future king on mere appearances.
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Is there a problem?
I think so.
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To each person who not only has application based on bible principles I will call them out on it. Let the games begin.
It's only fair that I call you on these matters then. You're filling your head with things of the flesh and not of God's Word. You love God but you're playing footsie with the world. I think you need to get off the fence, realize that you are God's and are called to life:
Romans 8:5, 6
Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace.
I think a reasonable response to all this would be to jump like you touched an electric fence, say to yourself, "How did this happen? Yikes! I'm turning off the TV and opening my Bible now. I'm yours and I love You, Lord. Please teach me!"
All of us find ourselves in this position at times (BTDT), and wonder how we ever got off track. The easy part is getting back on track - confess wandering off God's path, determine to get back on the path, and thank Him for His abundant forgiveness (1 John 1:8,9). He always takes us back, and the love will pour over you like a waterfall (Rom. 5:5) - oceans of love!
God bless you, dear sister in the Lord. I'll be counting on you to say these things to me when I wander off the path.  (((Hugs)))
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 11:27:06 AM
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deermousie ROCKS!
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 12:15:41 PM
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When a good desire (marriage, etc.) becomes a demand (all consuming in our thoughts, i.e. I can't be happy with xyz, etc.) then it is an Idol and should be addressed as such. Even good thiings become heart idols.
Deermousie gave excellent scriptures and I would encourage you to read them for yourself along with any scripture that offends your heart about idolatry. That "offense" is probably the work of the Holy Spirit.
We all have idols...it's recognizing them for what they are that provides the way to confession and repentence.
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 12:41:38 PM
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It's only fair that I call you on these matters then. You're filling your head with things of the flesh and not of God's Word. You love God but you're playing footsie with the world. I think you need to get off the fence, realize that you are God's and are called to life:
Romans 8:5, 6
Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace.
I think a reasonable response to all this would be to jump like you touched an electric fence, say to yourself, "How did this happen? Yikes! I'm turning off the TV and opening my Bible now. I'm yours and I love You, Lord. Please teach me!"
All of us find ourselves in this position at times (BTDT), and wonder how we ever got off track. The easy part is getting back on track - confess wandering off God's path, determine to get back on the path, and thank Him for His abundant forgiveness (1 John 1:8,9). He always takes us back, and the love will pour over you like a waterfall (Rom. 5:5) - oceans of love!
Frankly, after checking some of her other posts, I don't think she's referring to herself here.
I suspect she's talking about someone else...perhaps a relative. If so, I encourage her to stop lining up her ammunition and begin a prayer campaign for the one she desires to change. After all, that's God's job!
If I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time! 
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 12:59:06 PM
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Frankly, after checking some of her other posts, I don't think she's referring to herself here.
Oh, OK. Sometimes people write about themselves in the third person, so it's hard to tell. Levimichal?
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 7:56:24 PM
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levimichal
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Deermousie when I said I will call people out on it I meant I will give them props. So Deermousie, you got my respect and admiration. The bible is the living, God-breath, inspired, sufficient word of God it has application in all areas of life. Deermousie you used the sword well.
As to the scenario.
She does not love reading the word of God.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work."
In 1 Corinthians Paul says God gives the gift of singleness to some and marriage to others.
1 Corinthians 7:6-7
6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 But I wish everyone were single, just as I am. But God gives to some the gift of marriage, and to others the gift of singleness.
She loves the world.
1 John 2:15-17
15Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does—comes not from the Father but from the world. 17The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.
This was to show how many would be able to use the bible and its application in their lives. I will post a new scenario at 8:00 pm 11/24/08.
< Message edited by levimichal -- 11/25/2008 12:32:45 AM >
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 8:01:35 PM
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I suspect she's talking about someone else...perhaps a relative. If so, I encourage her to stop lining up her ammunition and begin a prayer campaign for the one she desires to change. After all, that's God's job! Kat, I don't know if you're right or wrong... but if you're right, I'd agree with you...
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 8:15:51 PM
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Also to those who believe I am talking about myself before I became Christian I did not make an idol of marriage because I thought along lines that were more perverse. Yet God saw fit to keep me from all of it.
Then after I became a Christian I read inspirational romances, big mistake. Marriage is good to those God calls to it. Me I want kids but I choose to wait on God.
Also I made up the scenario to see how people would be able to apply bible knowledge. I am a writer.
If I get married I will be able to say to my husband you will be first in all things.
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/24/2008 8:34:47 PM
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levimichal
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NEW SCENARIO
You are a leader of a small group and you have a problem with lust. You feel such remorse, yet when temptation comes your way you falter. You stop attending church because of the shame and are having even more problems now. Now it has moved from fantasy to masturbation and pornography. Find bible verses and application.
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/25/2008 11:35:15 PM
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The way I read it, she wants us to do all her digging and studying for her. I have a novel idea. How about the OP "cracking open the Word" and finding the answers for herself? I guess it was her tone that I found offensive...please don't threaten to "call people out" when they don't do your bidding in the way you want. Not a good way to win friends and influence people...know what I mean?
Why are you offended? I've read some of your posts and find that you could be a little (significantly) more sensitive yourself. Your average post seems to be bordering on passive aggressive. Sorry to attack you but if people thought that about me I would want to know.
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 11/26/2008 12:30:16 AM
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ORIGINAL: levimichal
NEW SCENARIO
You are a leader of a small group and you have a problem with lust. You feel such remorse, yet when temptation comes your way you falter. You stop attending church because of the shame and are having even more problems now. Now it has moved from fantasy to masturbation and pornography. Find bible verses and application.
Persons who falter so easily shouldn't be in leadership positions in most cases.
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 12/1/2008 12:37:02 AM
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The Word of God is NOT A GAME. I don't get your implication here either. Either you want to follow God's way or Satan's.
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 12/1/2008 6:22:08 AM
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 12/1/2008 9:00:08 AM
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What is weird about the scenario? We are all in leadership as Christians, not just the person who volunteers at church.
and people leading bible studies are PEOPLE and battle sin and temptation.
You hit the nail on the head, Levimicheal for many. I have known people who lead groups or who are active in church who confess to maturbation and watching porn (female. and they werent doing it at the time they started serving just along the way they faltered some how just as many humans do in something)....and I sure wish they hadnt confessed to me as it didnt help either of us.
and for the ones higher in leadership, I wouldnt know their sin cause Im not in their circle. Im sure only the best confidante would know of their sin if not just Jesus!
People who are in leadership shouldnt falter easily???? They probably dont, but you wont know their sin, I doubt they will be confessing it aloud to the congregation every Sunday. and maybe they get back up from sin quickly before it spirals down.
I dont have any scripture. I look forward to studying them for those who has scripture to point out relating to this scenario. Thanks Levimicheal.
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RE: Is there something wrong in this scenario? - 12/1/2008 9:11:59 AM
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Deermousie is such a blessing!
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