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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/16/2008 6:15:08 AM
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.ABBA.
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Hi Stephen,,
Hope your well Bro?!
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Barack Obama "Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?
The constitution was not even based on those
I'm not quite sure at what your saying here regarding the constitution and the words Obama spoke,, Call me dumb or dumber but even if it was in your constitution i wouldn't have a clue.
The rather important part of my post was as you and i both know was Context!!! What was the whole context of that speech that he made. Alone it does seem like an odd thing to say,, in context with the whole speech it seems to make sense in some parts. Taking into account his audience, his political standing/party and the year in which it was given.
good chatting again LG 
yours In Christ,,
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/16/2008 8:05:45 AM
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Hi there SS,,
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No, that's all I saw, it was a clip from a speech. To say that you could not survive its application is to suggest that Christ was mistaken which ever way you shake it. It's a mocking of Christ's suggestion that this is how people, leaders, kings and whoever should be trying to steer towards and base their lives and policies on. Was he saying that Christ was mistaken? Or that He was being unrealistic? Youtube it for your self, a lot of Christians were very upset.
To try to justify Obama's words that were criticizing Christ's instructions to the world, and on a public stage is to deliberatly select deafness and making a choice. Well, where do our layalties rest? For me, Obama clearly, by words and tone of speech was indeed mocking. He certainly was making a speech saying, 'this is what Christ said, and this is the way we should be trying to head'! Quite the opposite!
I know for me, I hear what I hear, and i'm never going to turn a deaf ear to suit.
Whoops,,, Sonic Student (Not Sinner-Saint) gotta watch that initial problem. LOL
I first heard of this speech just prior to the elections and watched that small snippet on youtube , that you had posted the transcipt for and thought,, what the?? However once you read or watch the whole speech you can place those words spoken into some context.
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Obama- Call to Renewal
Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.
And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.
Correct me if i am wrong here,, but Obama in context was speaking about the government, Church & State and the Defense Department. He wasn't saying you or me or anyone person wouldn't survive it's application but the defense department worldn't survive it. Big difference there don't you think?
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Well, where do our layalties rest?
My Loyalty is with Jesus the Christ,, always has been since being reborn in his Spirit. I will never place a President or World Leader above Christ or any nation for that matter above Israel now matter how Holy they may seem on surface. The proof of this has been shown here on these boards over the last 4 years or so when i have tried to highlight the current President and his ways. This will not change when/if Obama takes the office of President in January.
If he steps out of line, lies and deceives then i will also speak out against Obama. I'm here to do the Good Works of Christ, i'm not here to be a Patriot.
I hope this explains things a bit better and my standing Sonic, I'm not for Obama or GW , I'm for Christ.
yours In Christ,,
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/16/2008 1:03:05 PM
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Hi IC, blessings to you.
'Where do your loyalties lie', as in 'any of our loyalties', not yours personally mate LOL
I see what you are saying here totally, and understand the point you are making. However, i'm focucing on the spirit of the man, not his position. If I was prime minister, I still couldn't allow such a mocking and clearly negative appraisal of my Lords words. I don't believe from what I've heard, that we are dealing with a man that has any 'real' understanding or care for the one true God and Christ. I feel through speeches made and news reports read, that we have a man here that has a faith in faiths, that believes that there are no absolutes, even if God's word says there is. He upholds gay marriage and homosexual bishops in the church. he has more than hinted at the belief that there are many ways to God, and he clearly does not believe in bringing God into government and state, seeing the two as seperate. Is was really saying, 'faith is nice and good on a personal level, but lets not believe that it's applications could ever work for world issues of power, state, government. Do we believe this?
Psalm 2 says;
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Does this sound like God agrees that governments and states are not to be included or to be taken seriously? 'KISS THE SON, is the instruction to the leaders and kings here. Doesn't sound a lot like a good reason to not take the application of Jesus' words serious.
IC. I know you love the Lord, and really enjoy our chats etc I'm getting heated at the topic and at peoples inabilities at seeing this man's heart.
Looking forward to replying to your 'two witnesses' post, can't ignore some of what you've pointed out there. I never noticed this and there must be some relevance to the topic within it. I'll get looking and get back to you. Very exciting though.
Thanks IC, and blessings to you.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/17/2008 12:46:56 AM
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Here's my two cents about Obama and possible end times:
-I believe we are entering into the third seal that brings global depression and famine. Markets are tanking all around the world and the entire American economy is on the ropes right now. Do I think the rapture will happen tomorrow? Not necessarily. But we are heading into trouble.
-Obama is not the anti-Christ IMO but he could very well be part of the setup, the first domino to fall over.
And yeah, as some of the others have noted here...if Obama recovers from a head wound I'm moving to Wyoming.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/17/2008 10:20:27 AM
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Here's my two cents about Obama and possible end times:
-I believe we are entering into the third seal that brings global depression and famine. Markets are tanking all around the world and the entire American economy is on the ropes right now. Do I think the rapture will happen tomorrow? Not necessarily. But we are heading into trouble.
-Obama is not the anti-Christ IMO but he could very well be part of the setup, the first domino to fall over.
And yeah, as some of the others have noted here...if Obama recovers from a head wound I'm moving to Wyoming.
Hi there pg4Him,
I agree with you regarding Obama in the main. I don't believe he is anti-Christ, although he seems very in keeping in a lot of ways in Character. I do feel he has a large part to play in the changes of peoples attitudes and even values that will allow ant-Christ to smoothly enter the world scene. From what I understand from scripture (please anyone, correct me if i'm wrong!) First according to Rev 13, we see the Beast (World Empire) rise, with her leaders. And anti-Christ rises from within this and subdues some to assume control of an empire that will already have changed enough for his purposes. As remember, all this is the workings of Satan.
I wouldn't be looking for anti-Christ to receive a deadly wound that he recovers from, as it is clear that the scripture here is talking of an empire that was wounded, yet recovered if you check!
Blessings to ya
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/17/2008 10:56:18 AM
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There are lots of negative reports circulating about Obama. To focus on the good report is not so hard. From him I quote concerning something about his dog--- Something to the effect of himself being a "half breed".
Not so. I can poke fun at myself too. 
Alright, Likud, Kadima and the labor election is coming up in Israel. 2 years ago Obama with a (republican) senator mind you, intro. a bill for Iran sanctions. COuld he get along w/ Nentanyahu? I think yes, in a most
compelling way. Let's get these prejudiced $walls torn down immediately>!
O.K> ?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/17/2008 1:30:21 PM
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predudice, please I wish I could have voted for him, but his agenda is evil. i could care less his skin color, but the color of his heart.
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There are lots of negative reports circulating about Obama. To focus on the good report is not so hard. From him I quote concerning something about his dog--- Something to the effect of himself being a "half breed".
Not so. I can poke fun at myself too.
Alright, Likud, Kadima and the labor election is coming up in Israel. 2 years ago Obama with a (republican) senator mind you, intro. a bill for Iran sanctions. COuld he get along w/ Nentanyahu? I think yes, in a most
compelling way. Let's get these prejudiced walls torn down immediately>!
O.K> ?
Great peace have them which love thy law, and nothing shall offend them
why? We are not under the law, we are under grace!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/17/2008 2:00:07 PM
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Paul, said some, was evil. He had a slavery problem to deal with. We must deal with reality as it is, guess what? We have a new president.
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predudice, please I wish I could have voted for him, but his agenda is evil. i could care less his skin color, but the color of his heart.
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I respect your right as an american citizen to back your choice also.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/19/2008 3:18:38 PM
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Paul, said some, was evil. He had a slavery problem to deal with. We must deal with reality as it is, guess what? We have a new president.
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predudice, please I wish I could have voted for him, but his agenda is evil. i could care less his skin color, but the color of his heart.
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I respect your right as an american citizen to back your choice also.
I think everyone is aware that we have a new President. Just because we disagree with him doesn't mean we are predjudiced. We just don't agree with him because he is for killing the unborn. He is for taking money from the rich against their will and giving it to the poor. He is planning to destroy the coal industry and put many people out of jobs. He wants to put a universal health care plan into effect which will mean sub-standard care for all. And most of all, I am opposed to his Presidency because he mocked the Word of God. It seems that a lot of Christians are blinded to that truth. It's on youtube. I don't know if they don't want to know the truth or what.
It seems that, on this forum, if you are white and you don't love Obama it's because you are predjudiced.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/20/2008 9:54:19 PM
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That's not just on this forum, Milliecat. It seems that anyone who has a problem with Obama is immediately labeled as prejudice. It's a rather convenient way for his supporters to discount our very legitimate concerns. And I don't care in what "context" he opposes the words of Christ. There is no right way to argue against God's truth.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/20/2008 10:16:08 PM
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/21/2008 5:33:38 AM
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Yes, I agree. The fact that people seem to want to defend and follow him at all costs, casting aside any concerns of his ridicule of God's word or his very liberal christian beliefs, we have to consider the fact that Obama may have a part to play in this 'end time scenario'.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/21/2008 3:38:30 PM
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Obama is not improper to understand that the worldly Governance systems do not base themselves on the law of Moses; per se. He referred us to the sermon on peacemakers, merciful, the pure at heart (they will see God) as the Blessed among the peoples on earth.
Jefferson was quoted as saying that killing Christians or People of Faith called Martyrdom sprinkles the tree of liberty.
The Jefferson bible perverted all of the miracles as removed because of his great faith!? I expect, then, that if he changed revelation he will be resurrected shortly.
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Yes, I agree. The fact that people seem to want to defend and follow him at all costs, casting aside any concerns of his ridicule of God's word or his very liberal christian beliefs, we have to consider the fact that Obama may have a part to play in this 'end time scenario'.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/27/2008 11:10:10 PM
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Shalom, Sonic.
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Yes, I agree. The fact that people seem to want to defend and follow him at all costs, casting aside any concerns of his ridicule of God's word or his very liberal christian beliefs, we have to consider the fact that Obama may have a part to play in this 'end time scenario'.
Recognizing that "no man is an island," whether Obama is directly related to the subject matter of the prophecies about the end times or not, we can at least admit that he is related to the subject matter of the CURRENT TIMES which, in turn, will affect the end times.
So, whether he turns out to be the "beast" or the "man of lawlessness" (the "Anti-Torah man") or not, he may at least be the catalyst that brings on the "beast" or the "man of lawlessness."
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/28/2008 9:26:39 AM
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Yes Retro,
Now that the dust has settled, i personally have decided to go back to what i in the past have stuck too! Which is to understand that it is never a great idea to make sweeping statement's regarding individuals, as many in the past have seemed fit the face as it were, and obviously it's been wrong.
But that i'm aware of is that in the last hours of this age, many will be involved in the shaping of things, whether they realise it or not! Changes in current world desires and attitudes tends to shape policy and the directions of leaders that may well be in line with the world condition at the end.
So I'm aware in my own mind at least, that we won't see clearly until things clearly take shape and reveal themselves in there own time. But at least we are being watchful on here.
I think that in an attempt to remain credible to people looking in, we should be careful about labeling people. I at least have had to learn that over the last few weeks.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/28/2008 9:49:38 AM
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Yes Retro,
Now that the dust has settled, i personally have decided to go back to what i in the past have stuck too! Which is to understand that it is never a great idea to make sweeping statement's regarding individuals, as many in the past have seemed fit the face as it were, and obviously it's been wrong.
But that i'm aware of is that in the last hours of this age, many will be involved in the shaping of things, whether they realise it or not! Changes in current world desires and attitudes tends to shape policy and the directions of leaders that may well be in line with the world condition at the end.
So I'm aware in my own mind at least, that we won't see clearly until things clearly take shape and reveal themselves in there own time. But at least we are being watchful on here.
I think that in an attempt to remain credible to people looking in, we should be careful about labeling people. I at least have had to learn that over the last few weeks.
I agree, we should NEVER label anyone, instead we should do as Jesus wants us to do, and thats to pray for those...its our most powerful and effective weapon against the devil, and to remain standing in faith.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/28/2008 12:08:13 PM
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Well said here Abby,
We should do always as the Lord instructed. We may have our suspicions, but we don't know a persons heart, or where God will take someone, or how He might speak to that person in the future. I do have things about Obama that currently i'm unhappy with. The way he has been arrogant towards God's word and other stuff, but if we pray, who knows what God 'might' do with him. I agree. But i'm still watching him LOL
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/28/2008 1:46:17 PM
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Yes, but I mean 'WATCHING HIM' !!!!!!! LOL hahahaha
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/28/2008 3:24:29 PM
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Maybe LOL, but my eye is on him, he won't be able to fart without me knowing about it! Hahahahaha, oh wow, lol
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/29/2008 9:01:53 PM
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LOL, sonic, you're funny. You're right though. I can prove nothing and I have no evidence that would stand up in court to prove that Obama will play any bigger role in end times events than the 43 men who preceded him in the presidency. It's a gut feeling I have though. And the facts we do know absolutely warrant our careful and constant scrutiny of the man.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/29/2008 9:38:51 PM
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LOL, we're mad on here!
I know what ya mean. It may well only be that he brings about change to the world that brings us nearer to the world condition required, I don't know. Maybe we will be wrong, I hope so. It's just that his love of praise and huge audiences, his boastful speech opposing our Lords devine truths, his charismatic personality, his liberal christian belief, his leaning towards ecumenicals, his lack of respect of life in the abortion debate and his some what messiah complex keep me suspicious for some silly reason LOL - Silly really 
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 12/12/2008 8:14:28 PM
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Muslim plea to Obama: Return to 'Islamic roots'
JERUSALEM – Claiming Barack Obama has roots in the Islamic religion, an Egyptian cleric has broadcast a plea urging Obama to convert to Islam while warning if the U.S. doesn't withdraw its troops from the Middle East and provide aid to Muslims, those "eager for [death]" will attack America. "My message to [Obama] is threefold," declares Egyptian cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal, speaking last week on the state-funded Al Nas religious television network. "First, I invite him to convert to Islam. This is the call of the Prophet and of Allah. Oh, Obama – convert to Islam, and you will be saved." ...
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82984
All i'm saying is 'Interesting' LOL
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 12/12/2008 8:24:26 PM
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Mark...I read in the news today that Obama is ready to meet with the Muslim world right after taking office.
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