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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 3/6/2010 2:40:38 AM
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RSchorne
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Excellent.
So at least I can finally get a feel for your actual position.
It seems to be a lot closer to drmark of post 84 rather than drmark of post 90.
And might I reiterate that (no matter what St Paul wrote), whether or not I believe is not a choice.
Any more than it's a choice for my humble little man in Lahore.
If you think I deserve punishment for something beyond my control, then good for you.
And if that's what you think your God says is just and good and right, then doubly good for you.
But clearly we use different definitions for both the terms 'good' and 'holy'.
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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 3/6/2010 11:13:06 AM
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drmark
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But clearly we use different definitions for both the terms 'good' and 'holy'. But only my definition is correct because I use God's definition...
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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 3/6/2010 2:20:45 PM
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God's eternal essence is much more greater than love or holiness.
It encapsulates the following: faith and grace that are of the Way; love and perfection in the beauty of Holiness that are of Truth; riches and will in the excellence of Glory that are of the eternal Life.
In order of increasing greatness, the Way, the Truth and the Life of God are of His knowledge pertaining to the flesh, the spirit and the glory respectively. Truth is the spiritual knowledge of God.
Love and holiness are of His Truth by the Spirit/Holy Ghost. Love simply encapsulates all works of the Spirit that we must walk in.
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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 3/6/2010 5:49:58 PM
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RSchorne
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ORIGINAL: drmark
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But clearly we use different definitions for both the terms 'good' and 'holy'. But only my definition is correct because I use God's definition...
Hmm.
So when I want to find definitions of various words, I'll know where to turn.
And here I was looking in a dictionary.
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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 3/6/2010 9:19:50 PM
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drmark
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So when I want to find definitions of various words, I'll know where to turn.
And here I was looking in a dictionary. Indeed, when you're examining spiritual issues and definitions it is much better to follow 1 Cor 2:13-16 than fallible dictionaries. I realize this concept is beyond your grasp at present, RS, so I won't hold it against you.
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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 3/6/2010 10:40:08 PM
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RSchorne
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ORIGINAL: drmark
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So when I want to find definitions of various words, I'll know where to turn.
And here I was looking in a dictionary. Indeed, when you're examining spiritual issues and definitions it is much better to follow 1 Cor 2:13-16 than fallible dictionaries. I realize this concept is beyond your grasp at present, RS, so I won't hold it against you.
And it's much shorter than that cumbersome old Oxford dictionary.
By the way, you've never stated whether you think that Faith is a choice or beyond one's control.
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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 3/7/2010 9:38:45 AM
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drmark
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By the way, you've never stated whether you think that Faith is a choice or beyond one's control. Everything we think, say, or do is a choice, RS. That's the way God made us! God's grace enables all mankind to choose to accept or reject His Love. The resulting consequences of mankind's acceptance or rejection have never been in our control. He is the Creator, we are the creatures. He is God, we are not. Please read Deut 30:15-20 for the truth, not drmark's opinions.
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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 3/7/2010 2:48:48 PM
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RSchorne
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Well at least it's a Christian (of a specific persuasion) opinion of what constitutes truth.
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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 3/7/2010 4:48:46 PM
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drmark
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Thank you, RS. I will take that as a sincere compliment.
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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 3/7/2010 9:53:10 PM
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RSchorne
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Cheers drmark.
Sincerity is rather important to we humanists.
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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 3/19/2010 2:08:56 AM
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Wow. I am new here and I thought I had uncovered the most, er, lively thread but this one is definitely far more, er, entertaining. Now I see why brother gralan has found it necessary to repeat a half dozen times the need for "irenic" discussion. Yet I see a far greater need for some to read a lot more carefully and perhaps err in giving the benefit of a doubt before the accusations. What sets us apart, makes us holy, is that we love one another. What makes God holy is His love.
I believe it is a mistake to separate a God of love and a God of justice. Love is the root of justice. Love is the root of righteousness. Love is the root of mercy. Love is the root, for God is love.
yours in Christ,
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RE: God's essence. Is it Love or Holiness? - 5/17/2010 11:31:07 PM
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God is holy, and God is love. The two phrases strike us differently I think because we view holiness as an attribute and love as an act or feeling. God is righteous, and Jesus is righteousness from God. Possibly the same twist there. It is impossible to separate God's character from God, He is the Father of lights. So you know God loves and God is love, God does what is right and He is righteousness.
God is awesome! Father, Son, and Holy Spirit no greater can there be.
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