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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/19/2009 5:37:18 PM
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Despite what you might have heard, no definitive proof that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii has been provided. The supposed "fact checkers" have not provided definitive proof, and neither has Obama himself.
That does not mean that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. All it means is that we don't know for sure. Those who claim that his birthplace has been definitively proven are basing it on faith and not on facts.
A note of warning: Obama's supporters have been remarkably effective at misleading people about this issue, smearing all those who have questions as conspiracy theorists at the same time as they lie through their teeth.
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"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."
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Confirming that he was born there is more than she said in her 10/31/08 statement which did not say he was born there. The new release adds information and doesn't simply reiterate what she said before, helping to show that all those who claimed that her earlier release proved he was born there were being misleading. For instance, Howard Kurtz said officials confirmed he was born there before that had happened. The fact that it's now happened doesn't mean that he wasn't being misleading before.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/21/2009 1:46:27 PM
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Oh good grief. If he were born in this country he would have shown the proper birth certificate and his records from Harvard and Occidental. If he is a citizen from birth, why won't he provide these records?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/21/2009 5:54:55 PM
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He did show his "proper birth certificate." It's exactly the same certificate the government of Hawaii will send anyone born there and is routinely used for getting passports, security clearances, and anything else requiring proof of citizenship. That's why birtherism is so daft.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 1:26:12 PM
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He did show his "proper birth certificate." It's exactly the same certificate the government of Hawaii will send anyone born there and is routinely used for getting passports, security clearances, and anything else requiring proof of citizenship. That's why birtherism is so daft.
If that certificate is so "proper" and legal then why doesn't he release his Harvard and Occidental records, not his grades (although I've heard he was an average student) but his applications papers. Just show it all if he has nothing to hide.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 2:52:15 PM
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What's that got to do with where he was born? You have a government issued certificate proving he was born in Honolulu. You have contemporary newspaper birth announcements confirming the details. How many former presidents have released all the documents you are now demanding of Obama. Did Bush release all of his private college records?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 8:06:39 PM
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What's that got to do with where he was born? You have a government issued certificate proving he was born in Honolulu. You have contemporary newspaper birth announcements confirming the details. How many former presidents have released all the documents you are now demanding of Obama. Did Bush release all of his private college records?
He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 8:55:33 PM
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What's that got to do with where he was born? You have a government issued certificate proving he was born in Honolulu. You have contemporary newspaper birth announcements confirming the details. How many former presidents have released all the documents you are now demanding of Obama. Did Bush release all of his private college records?
He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
He has done everything he is legally required to do to prove he is an American. There is nothing that he can do that will make you birthers wake up and realize that he won.
At this point, if you have a problem with his legality take it up with your state's election commission who put him on the ballot.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 9:43:59 PM
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He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
You are extremely naive if you think the question would go away. There are plenty of birthers on record, including Orly Taitz, who quite openly say that's merely one of the problems. Conspiracy theorists are never satisfied -- that's why they're called conspiracy theories.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 10:06:34 PM
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What's that got to do with where he was born? You have a government issued certificate proving he was born in Honolulu. You have contemporary newspaper birth announcements confirming the details. How many former presidents have released all the documents you are now demanding of Obama. Did Bush release all of his private college records?
He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
Why would he have had to state his birthplace on his college application? It's been a while, but I don't recall having to do that on mine. Residency - sure. But birthplace? I don't see what relevance that would have at all, unless you're talking about FAFSA or some other financial aid thing.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 10:50:23 PM
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He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
You are extremely naive if you think the question would go away. There are plenty of birthers on record, including Orly Taitz, who quite openly say that's merely one of the problems. Conspiracy theorists are never satisfied -- that's why they're called conspiracy theories.
So what? He should give it a try. At least some of us would be satisfied.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 10:57:01 PM
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What's that got to do with where he was born? You have a government issued certificate proving he was born in Honolulu. You have contemporary newspaper birth announcements confirming the details. How many former presidents have released all the documents you are now demanding of Obama. Did Bush release all of his private college records?
He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
Why would he have had to state his birthplace on his college application? It's been a while, but I don't recall having to do that on mine. Residency - sure. But birthplace? I don't see what relevance that would have at all, unless you're talking about FAFSA or some other financial aid thing.
-Dan.
I had to state my birthplace, although I'm sure I'm quite a bit older than you. Perhaps he got financial aid when attending Harvard. I don't know. He must have something besides that supposed birth certificate from Hawaii. Whatever the plaintiffs want-he should just give them what they want.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/23/2009 5:50:56 AM
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Whatever the plaintiffs want-he should just give them what they want.
Sorry, but that's RIDICULOUS.
There is no amount of evidence or documentation that will convince birthers that he is a U.S. citizen and giving the plaintiffs "whatever" they want would just tie up the legal system, waste time and money, and the outcome would be the same.
He has given them the only document that matters - his birth certificate. Every case on the matter has been thrown out of court, yet the silliness continues.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/23/2009 11:22:43 AM
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Whatever the plaintiffs want-he should just give them what they want.
Sorry, but that's RIDICULOUS.
There is no amount of evidence or documentation that will convince birthers that he is a U.S. citizen and giving the plaintiffs "whatever" they want would just tie up the legal system, waste time and money, and the outcome would be the same.
He has given them the only document that matters - his birth certificate. Every case on the matter has been thrown out of court, yet the silliness continues.
The "silliness" continues because his paternal grandmother stated that she was in the delivery room when he was born. He has never addressed that issue. She has never denied it.
I'm not into this issue so I am NOT a "birther". I know enough about this president to know that no matter what evidence people had on him, he would NEVER be removed from office so to me, it's a waste of time. He has mesmerized the country. The people act like they have been hypnotized when it comes to Obama: they hear no truth, they see no truth and they speak no truth. So why bother?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/23/2009 12:55:26 PM
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What's that got to do with where he was born? You have a government issued certificate proving he was born in Honolulu. You have contemporary newspaper birth announcements confirming the details. How many former presidents have released all the documents you are now demanding of Obama. Did Bush release all of his private college records?
He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
Why would he have had to state his birthplace on his college application? It's been a while, but I don't recall having to do that on mine. Residency - sure. But birthplace? I don't see what relevance that would have at all, unless you're talking about FAFSA or some other financial aid thing.
-Dan.
I had to state my birthplace, although I'm sure I'm quite a bit older than you. Perhaps he got financial aid when attending Harvard. I don't know. He must have something besides that supposed birth certificate from Hawaii. Whatever the plaintiffs want-he should just give them what they want.
He can't give them what they want because they only want him to say he was born in Kenya. No other answer or paperwork will suffice. These lawsuits are fishing expeditions. That's why they keep getting tossed.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/23/2009 9:01:41 PM
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Praise the Lord. I've been praying for him-that he'll be impeached somewhere down the road.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/24/2009 3:42:00 AM
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Goodness, you impeach one President and suddenly you want to impeach them all -- well, all the Democratic ones anyway.
Obama hasn't done anything he can be impeached for -- not even close -- but I guess you can keep dreaming.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/24/2009 9:41:14 AM
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Praise the Lord. I've been praying for him-that he'll be impeached somewhere down the road.
How does "President Biden" sound to you? BTW, did you read my post and check the linked article?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/24/2009 4:08:34 PM
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Conspiracies abound because, well,
there are conspiracies right under our noses.
Just that so many have no sense of smell......................LOL
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/24/2009 4:56:27 PM
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Praise the Lord. I've been praying for him-that he'll be impeached somewhere down the road.
How does "President Biden" sound to you? BTW, did you read my post and check the linked article?
Actually, according to the birthers, they believe there is enough evidence to include Biden, Pelosli, and Byrd in the conspiracy, so none of those in line for the presidency would get it! (How convenient!) I've even seen some birthers claim that Bush would have to take over again until new elections could be arranged completely ignoring the fact of how unconstitutional *that* would be.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/24/2009 8:32:36 PM
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Praise the Lord. I've been praying for him-that he'll be impeached somewhere down the road.
How does "President Biden" sound to you? BTW, did you read my post and check the linked article?
Yes, I read your post and checked the linked article. Thank you. From what I can see, he simply is choosing not to put any faith in a "tinny" audiotape of Grandma. That is his choice. And I certainly agree with him that there were much bigger concerns about Obama than his birthplace and the American people, instead of being all ga-ga over a young, attractive African American candidate and his refreshing difference from previous presidents, should have been paying attention and deciding if they wanted to be Socialists or if they liked being Capitalists, if they like paying high taxes or not, etc. They should have studied his past because he has had some controversial and mostly Communist friends. But they didn't.
If his mother had been a normal young woman I would have said it's not likely that he was born in Kenya but she was a strange one so anything is possible. I'd simply like for him to be more forthcoming and stop ignoring the whole issue. Give his accusers what they want, whatever they want. But maybe he can't. Who knows? Who knows anything about this guy? He said he'd end the war and he is not, he said he'd have a "transparent" administration and he has not. He likes to hang out with Communists and was mentored by one. He's a narcissist and can't seem to take any criticism. So why should I believe him any more than the blogger believes the "tinny" audiotape?
Oh, I don't even care.  He'll be in that office until 2016. The Founding Fathers are probably turning over in their graves.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 2/18/2010 7:38:09 AM
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He's had a passport for decades, and had to renew it several times. That requires a valid birth certificate, which has to come with official seal and all from the state of birth. That means an official document is supplied by the state of birth. How difficult is that to understand?
Cow451, are you absolutely positive that whatever he used for identification was the original, signed, and sealed live birth certificate; or was it a forgery.
Did you bother to read my post #137? The people making these claims are wrong, if not lying outright. You can look at the pictures yourself - it IS signed, it IS sealed, and it IS certified. How much more certification do you need than the Director of Hawaii's Dept of Health publicly saying that the birth certificate is legit?
Again for the record; I am not a birther, but
that signature, seal, and embossment could be on anything, there is nothing to prove or event to indicate that it is on Obama's BC. A close examination of the front of the presented BC does not indicate any embossed seal, which if it was embossed on the back would be visible on the front also.
Which flavor do you like best?
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